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Doug Wilson Interviews Mark Driscoll On Spiritual Gifts

Doug Wilson is a conservative theologian and reformed cessationist. Mark Driscoll is a Pastor and reformed continuationist. That makes for  a remarkable interview. 

It is  rare to see such mutual respect, graciousness, and kinship between two men holding contrasting views like these. How can that happen? They confess they are friends.

When Wilson explains he has received “spirit prompted” words from God [words of knowledge], Driscoll nails him as a charismatic in denial. Their relational  laughter is priceless!

Whatever camp you are in, you are guaranteed to enjoy this  interview.

I absolutely loved it.

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Heretical Modalism and T.D. Jakes Doctrine On the Trinity

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Controversy surrounds T.D. Jake’s doctrinal statement about the trinity.  It is widely believed  that Jake’s does not hold to the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity.

Some have pressed  the issue by charging that  Jake’s Oneness doctrine makes him guilty of the ancient heresy of modalism:

“There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”
 
Here is an excerpt from Resurgence that demonstrates the  important of the issue.
 
Must read stuff!
 
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Understanding Modalism

The term “modalism” was introduced by the German historian Adolf von Harnack to describe second and third century Trinitarian heresies. Modalism teaches that God is successively Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, not simultaneously Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Modalism is a heresy that does not view the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three particular persons in relation but merely as three modes or manifestations of the one divine person of God. 

Modalism is also sometimes called Sabellianism, which was an early third-century Trinitarian heresy named after Sabellius, who taught that the one God revealed himself successively in salvation history first as Father (Creator and Lawgiver), then as Son (Redeemer), and finally as Spirit (Sustainer, Giver of Grace). Hence for Sabellius there is only one divine person, not three as in orthodox Christian trinitarianism.[1]

Now, let’s look at another doctrinal statement on the same issue. The United Pentecostal Church (UPCI) is the largest Oneness group in America. They officially deny the doctrine of the Trinity saying:  

In distinction to the doctrine of the Trinity, the UPCI holds to a oneness view of God. It views the Trinitarian concept of God, that of God eternally existing as three distinctive persons, as inadequate and a departure from the consistent and emphatic biblical revelation of God being one…Thus God is manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration.[2]

Again, notice the word “manifest,” which Jakes and the UPCI both use. In other words, the Son of God is the manifestation of the Father in the flesh. The Son is not eternal, nor pre-existent. Jesus is the Father and the Son: Father in his divinity and Son in his humanity. Hence, the Trinity is said to be a misunderstanding of the biblical teaching.

The debate land mine that MacDonald has stepped on is in large part over the word “manifestations”. In its simplest form, this is the language of Modalism. In classic Modalism there is one God who manifests Himself in three ways (Father, Son, and Spirit) but is not three distinct persons. By this it’s meant that God is successively Father, Son, and Spirit but not simultaneously Father, Son, and Spirit. Think of it in terms of someone who is an actor playing three different roles in a play with wardrobe changes between scenes. 

So, according to Modalism, God appears as the Father in the Old Testament, Jesus in the Gospels, and Holy Spirit in the Epistles. But, the problem with this view is that at times in the Bible all three members of the Trinity appear together simultaneously, thereby negating modalism and its claims of successive manifestations.” 

http://theresurgence.com/2011/09/29/reflections-on-james-macdonald-td-jakes-and-the-trinity?

 
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Posted by on October 3, 2011 in doctrine, heresy, Mark Driscoll, The Trinity

 

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Is Mark Driscoll a Bully?

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The internet has been ablaze with Mark Driscoll being the lightning rod. Seems his convictional certitude regarding masculinity is not appreciated by a number of gender neutral proponents. Driscoll asked a “flippant” question about “effeminate anatomically male worship leaders” on  Facebook, and immediately drew fire from the offended.

Her~merneutics, a blog for women, posted this:

“The news of this post quickly drew responses from bloggers like Rachel Held Evans, who called Driscoll a bully, and Tyler Clark, who reflected on his own experience as an oft-labeled effeminate male. These responses consequently elicited counter-responses from writers like Anthony Bradley, who accused Evans of libel, only to be met with counter-counter-responses, such as Brian McLaren’s contribution to The Washington Post. The discussion finally culminated with Driscoll issuing his own response, admitting his comment was both “flippant” and failed to address “real issues with real content in a real context”

 Without apologizing, Driscoll responded by providing context for his question:

“I had a recent conversation with a stereotypical, blue-collar guy who drives his truck with his tools, lunchbox, and hard hat to his job site every day. He said he wasn’t a Christian, but he was open and wanted to learn what the Bible said. In that conversation, he told me he’d visited a church but that the guy doing the music made him feel uncomfortable because he was effeminate (he used another more colorful word, but that one will suffice in its place). He asked some questions about the Bible, and whether the Bible said anything about the kind of guy who should do the music. I explained the main guy doing the music in the Bible was David, who was a warrior king who started killing people as a boy and who was also a songwriter and musician.

I then put a flippant comment on Facebook, and a raging debate on gender and related issues ensued. As a man under authority, my executive elders sat me down and said I need to do better by hitting real issues with real content in a real context. And, they’re right. Praise God I have elders who keep me accountable and that I am under authority.”

http://theresurgence.com/2011/07/13/the-issue-under-a-lot-of-issues

http://blog.christianitytoday.com/women/2011/07/much_ado_about_mark_driscoll.html

http://rachelheldevans.com/mark-driscoll-bully

 

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