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An Open Letter to “Jesse Leon Rogers”

I would like to use this issue as a teaching moment regarding polemics. I must say ministers who create a  “canon within a canon” and who employ their ill-informed bobo [blink on-blink off] hermeneutic really weary me when attempting to demonstrate superior wisdom.So please note my biting sarcasm is most biblical as learned from the Apostle Paul in his Corinthian Letters.
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After posting  “legal public facts” on my personal antagoniz blog concerning the Courts judgment against Ron Luce and a warrant issued  for 556534_3652379382425_1481352205_nhis arrest, a “Rev” Jesse Leon Rogers responded with allegations concerning my motive and practice for doing so. He then proceeded to call me out for not responding immediately,” Did I hit a little too close to home Richard? You know I described what you did exactly”.
Here are some of his allegations with my response:
 ..”I can tell you, what you are doing is not only unwise but it is also un-biblical. You haven’t researched the situation. You  haven’t talked to the people. And you haven’t prayed for Ron. All you have done is seen something posted and reposted it. Your spirit, attitude nor methodology reflect Christ nor Paul. It falls more in line with a gossip, tail bearer and the accuser.
 Jesse, now that I have a few minutes, “I am your Huckleberry”. No Jesse, that’s not greek! From the movie tombstone, it means “I’m just the man you’re looking for” concerning your  “to weak for the task” challenge.
Now let me take you into the Jesus paradigm-Paul following and adult world of scripture “rev”.
Your charges are these,” I haven’t prayed, haven’t talked to anyone, I did not do any research, merely re-posted someone else’s  post, and for doing so I am a gossiping tale bearer and an accuser.
I now call on you to publicly post every source you discovered in your own research to verify the allegations you’ve made against me.
If you objectively document any of the following, I will publicly repent, write Ron Luce a letter of repentance and ask you to personally forgive me, and will make it public for all to see.
However, If you are unable or unwilling to prove your allegations with verifiable and reputable documentation, you stand guilty of being a hollow core hypocrite of the highest Pharisaical order!
 [Jesus said,”  can you say to your brother, ‘Let me get the speck out of your eye,’ when there is a bigger log in your own eye? You hypocrite (play-actor, pretender), first get the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matt 7:5-6]
So here is your chance to show that you are a man of character,honor and integrity. Demonstrate publicly you would never require something of me you  haven’t done yourself.  Man up Dude!
1.Objectively document that I merely reposted!
2.Document how you know I have not prayed for Ron!
3.Document I did not research the subject!
4. Document that the articles from World Magazine and Christianity Today are factually erroneous!
5. Document that a warrant has not been issued!
6.Document that Ron Luce has failed to refund $160,000
6.Document that the Colorado Court did not find him guilty and demand he make payment!
7 Document that I have distorted or misrepresented the legal public facts in any way or in anything I posted.
Secondly, you say what I have done in posting factual news is un-biblical. Let me school you in some biblical theology “rev” as you seem to be guilty of “wanting to be my teacher….even though you do not understand the terms  used  or the subjects about which you make [such] confident declarations. [1 timothy 1:7]
First, your lack of scholarship, biblical theology and bobo hermeneutic places God in contradiction to himself. If factual news is wrong and sinful, God is guilty of the very thing he condemns and forbids. Check out this biblical theology:
>David is publicly reported as being a peeping tom who  pre-meditated murder, was guilty of covetous adultery and resulted in conceiving a bastard child.
>Lot offered his two virgin daughters to be violently gang raped.
>Abraham is counseled by his wife to have  a sexual relationship with one of their servants.
>Paul the Apostle publicly outed a young man in the Corinthian church for living in an incestuous relationship.
>Lots daughters assist him with getting drunk and then commit an incestuous threesome in order to conceive and have children.
>Luke reports publicly that Sapphira and Ananias were lying deceiving covetous hypocrites.
>Paul publicly reported that Hymenaues and Alexander were blasphemers whom he turned over to Satan.
>In 3 John, he publicly reports that Diotrephes is spreading malicious lies and is using abusive discipline on the congregants.
>The first six chapters of First Corinthians are written based solely on information Paul “heard” from others and that he had no personal first hand knowledge of.
 [..it is reported to me by some have  from Chloe’s household and have told me about your quarrels…1 Corinthians 1: 11]
Finally, please note that Paul’s letters were read publicly and then passed around to the other churches to read. This means what he reported was then shared to different churches who had know knowledge of what was happening and Paul wanted it to be made public to all the congregations.
[Colossians 4:16 After this letter has been read to you, see that it is also read in the church of the Laodiceans and that you in turn read the letter from Laodicea]
[1 Thessalonians 5:27 I put you under oath to have this letter read to all the brothers]
 
As you can see “rev”, you do ‘ere not knowing the scriptures! It isn’t against God’s character or the Scriptures to relate to the broader church  documented facts about leaders. Just the opposite, it is in God’s character both by example and admonition for us to do so!
Richard G Hanner
 
 

 

 
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Posted by on October 5, 2015 in character, Conflict, Ethics, GOOOFY, hermeneutics, Honesty, maturity

 

Megachurch Pastor Perry Noble Rebuked For Perverting Scripture

I am absolutely “joy-filled” at the character,courage and integrity of the SBC leadership for  holding Perry Noble publicly accountable for Screen-Shot-2014-12-31-at-11.31.29-PM perverting the 10 commandments into promises in order to make them more palatable to unbelievers in his church.

The seriousness of the SBC rebuke came with the threat of excommunication from the convention should Noble refuse to correct his heretical teachings. Bam!

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Perry Noble, pastor of a South Carolina megachurch, was rebuked by a Southern Baptist leader in South Carolina for calling the 10 Commandments “10 promises” and for other “problematic positions and statements.”

The rebuke came last week from the president of the South Carolina Baptist Convention, Tommy Kelly, who said, “We as South Carolina Baptists must publicly state and remove ourselves from these positions and problematic statements and call for NewSpring to correct these positions if it chooses to say that it affiliates with South Carolina Baptist churches.”

..Hoping to bring more people to Jesus, Noble asked those at the worship service to view the 10 Commandments not as rules they have to keep in order to be Jesus followers but as promises that they can receive when they accept Christ.

He interpreted the first commandment (You shall have no other gods before me) as “Promise #1: You do not have to live in constant disappointment anymore.” The second commandment (You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything) was translated into this promise: “You can be free from rituals and religion and trust in a relationship.”

The “you shall not murder” command, he said, is actually a promise that “you do not have to live in a constant state of anger because you will be motivated by love and not hate.”

 
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Posted by on January 24, 2015 in Accountability, Conflict, doctrine, GOOOFY, heresy, hermeneutics

 

Southern Baptist,Tongues Speech and Hermeneutical Gymnastics

Cessationism is the view that miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced either at the completion of the New Testament canon or the conclusion of the Apostolic era. Hence, supernatural gifts have ceased.

The opposite of Cessationism is Continuationism. This belief  maintains that all the supernatural gifts of 1 corinthians 12 continue until the second coming of Christ. I personally prefer this term. It doesn’t have all the heretical and behavioral baggage that is most often associated with classical “charismatics.”

The SBC mission board in recent years took steps that go far  beyond advancing cessationism, they crafted a harsh  position statement that requires rejection of new missionary applicants and dis-fellowship of those missionaries who believe in or practice tongues speech as personal prayer to the Father. 

However, it seems some are employing sanctified reasoning skills among the Southern Baptist. This  insightful question demands  intellectual honesty with a consistent hermeneutic in order to answer  with integrity.

 Otherwise, hermenutical gymnastics [twisting-bending-contorting scripture] must be resorted to in order to spin an [inconsistent] answer.

Just sayin!

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“How do you get from,“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all, for to one is given…different kinds of tongues…And God has appointed these in the church…varieties of tongues…For he who speaks in tongue does not speak to men but to God…in the spirit he speaks mysteries…He who speaks in tongues edifies himself…I wish you all spoke in tongues…for if I pray in tongue, my spirit prays…I thank my God that I speak in tongues more than you all…If anyone speaks in tongue [and there is no interpreter]…let him speak to himself and to God…do not forbid to speak in tongues (I Cor. 12:7, 10, 28; 14:2, 4, 5, 14, 18, 27, 39)

…—to—“I forbid you to speak in tongues privately or publicly, with or without interpretation, and if you do so, you can’t serve as an IMB missionary, and you have psychological, emotional or demonic issues and influences effecting your private devotions”?

http://sbcvoices.com/a-response-to-denny-burks-post-on-the-importance-of-complementarianism-to-the-gospel-by-wm-dwight-mckissic-sr/

http://www.enjoyinggodministries.com/article/28-speaking-in-tongues-and-the-southern-baptist-convention-part-1/

https://antagoniz.wordpress.com/2011/10/02/speaking-in-tongues-debate-at-southern-baptist-convention/

 
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Posted by on September 4, 2012 in charismatic, hermeneutics, Tongues Speech

 

“Where Two Or Three Are Gathered” And Other Bad Interpretations

“Skillful Scripture Study” was  the one class I enjoyed teaching the most during my tenure as a Prof at Christ for The Nations Bible College in Dallas,Texas. I endured the angst of many irate students by challenging  charismatic myths fostered by those ignoring hermeneutical norms so that they could play  fast and loose with a biblical text.

Binding and loosing, Satan comes to  kill,steal and destroy,  and Pulling down strongholds are but a few of the texts  I showed to be selectively abstracted from the contextual flow of a favorite verse.

Selective abstraction is a type of cognitive bias in which terms are taken out of context  while everything else in the context is completely ignored. Credo House Ministries posted this great example of  how Matthew 18 is often  de-contextualized by making it a proof text for having others simply agree together in general  prayer.

I selectively abstracted a section to entice you to read the entire artlicle. Now thats funny!

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“… I sat there praying with this group of people, saying my “umms” and shaking my head at the appropriate times (I hope). Then something made me hara. I tried to brush it off, but it was too difficult. She said the unthinkable . . . I cannot believe she used this verse. It was manipulative, irresponsible, and downright misleading. What was her crime? She used the “where two or three are gathered in my name . . .” trick. She misused Matthew 18:20. Of course, this is tongue-in-cheek. She did not really have any ill-intentions. She was just following the folklore about this verse, which she had probably heard herself countless times in the past. We have all done it so don’t get smug. Let’s look at the verse.

Matt. 18:20
“For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”

It happens all the time: Prayers which invoke the presence of Jesus during the gathering . . . well, so long as there are “two or three.” What does this mean? Does it mean that Christ is more likely to answer your prayer? Does it mean that Christ’s actual presence is in the middle of your prayer circle . . . a ghost, phantom, or floating entity? Maybe he is there holding our hands. And which is it, for goodness’ sake? Two, or three? The idea is this: we have to have more than one person to get this mystical real presence of Christ invoked and some people have made a sacrament out of this.

However, this is not what this verse means. And I do get somewhat red-nosed about this because it can mislead us about the power of God and our prayer life.

Matthew 18:20, like every other passage of Scripture, has a context. When we look at the context we find that the pericope (single unit of thought) in which this verse occurs starts in verse 15…..”

http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2012/08/where-two-or-three-are-gathered-and-other-bad-interpretations/

 
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Posted by on August 13, 2012 in Accountability, charismatic, doctrine, hermeneutics, prayer

 

The Kingdom: Already But Not Yet!

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Treven Wax recently wrote  that there is a theologian we should all know and I agree. 

George  Eldon Ladd is said to be one of the most influential scholars of the 1900’s. It was Ladd who popularized the view of the kingdom as two dimensional by describing it with the  “already inaugurated -not yet  consummated” paradigm.

He argues that there is a tension between the already realized and future eschatology throughout the entire New Testament. While the future Kingdom of God already has broken into the present reality, its fullness  remains to be consummated with the second coming.

 Now deceased, Ladd is considered a premier Kingdom theologian and any serious study of eschatology should include time invested to read “The Gospel of the Kingdom” and  “The Presence of the Future“.

Other great books that I can personally recommend:

 The Blessed Hope“- His central thesis is the second coming is The Blessed Hope, not a pre-tribulational rapture.

A Theology of the New Testament“- Ladd’s magisterial work on New Testament.

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/trevinwax/2012/05/22/a-theologian-you-should-know-george-eldon-ladd/?

http://bible.org/article/review-blessed-hope-george-e-ladd

 
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Posted by on July 9, 2012 in doctrine, eschatology, gospel, hermeneutics, rapture

 

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Jews And The Promised Land Of Israel

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English: Flag of Israel with the Mediterranean sea in the background, in Rishon LeZion. עברית: דגל ישראל בראשון לציון (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

I was raised in a home by God-fearing parents. Even before  their conversion later in life, they imparted a deep love for the Jews and the land of Israel.

My love for Israel flowed deeper after Christ conquered my life through the gospels regenerating power. He has allowed me the joy of traversing the land of Israel on two separate occasions and even now I anticipate a third trip for ministry in the near future.

With that  background, you can see why I sincerely appreciate John Pipers  relational communication to David Brickner, executive director of Jews for Jesus, concerning  Israel’s future and the promised land.

This is a good read!

Dear David,

Thank you for taking this happy initiative. I am eager to discuss Israel and the Promised Land with you. I love Jews for Jesus. Your leadership, and Moishe Rosen’s before you, have been for me a cause for continual thanksgiving. “To the Jew first, and also to the Greek” (Rom. 1:16) has never ceased to carry weight with me. I pray we will never lose Paul’s passion in Romans 10:1: “My heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved.”

We both agree that the way God chose to bring all the nations under the sway of King Jesus is astonishing. After sketching it, Paul praised God, “How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!” (Rom. 11:33).

  • First, God chose Israel. “The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth” (Deut. 7:6).
  • Then, for 2,000 years, he focused his saving work mainly on Israel, “allowing all the nations to walk in their own ways” (Acts 14:16).
  • Then he sent Jesus, the Messiah, to Israel, knowing they would crucify him, so that the Gentiles might “receive mercy because of their [Israel’s] disobedience” (Rom. 11:30).
  • And then, lest we Gentiles think we are the end of the story, Paul told us that Israel “has now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you [Gentiles] they [Israel] also may now receive mercy” (Rom. 11:31).
  • And the point of it all? To show that “from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen” (Rom. 11:36).

What was Paul’s response to this flabbergasting way of saving the world? Unsearchable! Inscrutable! “Who has known the mind of the Lord, or who has been his counselor?” (Rom. 11:34).

So, you are right. I believe God has a future for ethnic Israel. And we agree this is not because there are two tracks to glory or two different covenants of grace. Rather, corporate Israel will be saved in the end because she will be grafted back into the same covenant tree with all of us wild olive branches (Rom. 11:16–24). Both Jews and Gentiles become heirs of the promise of Abraham in the same way: “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise” (Gal. 3:29).

So I am persuaded with J. C. Ryle that Israel, as a people, will someday be converted to the Messiah and saved:

They are kept separate that they may finally be saved, converted and restored to their own land. They are reserved and preserved, in order that God may show in them as on a platform, to angels and men, how greatly he hates sin, and yet how greatly he can forgive, and how greatly he can convert. Never will that be realized as it will in that day when “all Israel shall be saved.” (Are You Ready for the End of Time? pp. 137–138)

Moreover, I also believe the promise of the Land to this redeemed ethnic Israel is both conditional and irrevocable. Irrevocable means they will finally have it as a special dwelling place when the Deliverer comes from Zion and banishes ungodliness from Jacob (Rom. 11:26).

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/juneweb-only/john-piper-responds-to-david-brickner-israel.html

 
 

Doug Wilson Interviews Mark Driscoll On Spiritual Gifts

Doug Wilson is a conservative theologian and reformed cessationist. Mark Driscoll is a Pastor and reformed continuationist. That makes for  a remarkable interview. 

It is  rare to see such mutual respect, graciousness, and kinship between two men holding contrasting views like these. How can that happen? They confess they are friends.

When Wilson explains he has received “spirit prompted” words from God [words of knowledge], Driscoll nails him as a charismatic in denial. Their relational  laughter is priceless!

Whatever camp you are in, you are guaranteed to enjoy this  interview.

I absolutely loved it.

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